The New Basel II Accord (the Accord) refers to “stress testing” numerous times and in relation to each of its three pillars. Nowhere, however, does it attempt to define what constitutes an effective stress test. To echo one of the writers on the subject, the Accord is saying “we can’t define it, but we know it when we see it”. This introduces a problem for both the regulators and the regulated in attempting to agree on what a stress test is. This paper examines the current state of stress testing in relation to the Accord framework and arrives at a suggested approach to stress testing based on what is felt to be common use.
Support for this approach to stress testing is given in the paper discussed below on business continuity.
The Stress Testing Requirements in the Accord
The Accord mentions “stress test” a total of 27 times, 25 of those in the body of the Accord. As mentioned above, however, nowhere does it define the term. In relation to credit risk (at para. 434 and subsequent) it gets closest by describing what sort of scenarios could be included in a stress test. The Accord also makes clear that there needs to be stress testing done in relation to:
- credit risk (again, para. 434);
- liquidity risk in relation to collateral (para. 158); and
- market risk (para. 738).
Regulators are also required to ensure that institutions conduct “[r]igorous and forward-looking stress testing…” to identify factors “…could adversely affect the bank….”(para. 726). In fact, the entire text of Principle 1 of Pillar II (paras. 726 to 745) is centred on the question of stress testing.
What is Stress Testing?
A generally agreed definition of stress testing is “stress-testing means choosing scenarios that are costly and rare, and then putting them to a valuation model.” In this case, the valuation models will be those used by a bank to calculate its economic capital.The important point to note here is that both the Accord and this definition are calling for multiple scenarios. In fact, the literature makes it abundantly clear that multiple scenarios, of varying likeliness, are required to constitute an effective stress test and that these tests and scenarios need to be re-run and re-evaluated on a regular basis to accommodate both changes in the Bank’s asset mix and in future expectations.
Interestingly, some of the literature suggests that, not only should expected or likely scenarios be tested, but some unusual or unexpected scenarios should also be tested to gauge their likely effects. This would involve four possibilities:
- Simulating shocks which we suspect are more likely to occur than historical observation suggests;
- Simulating shocks that have never occurred;
- Simulating shocks that reflect the possibility that statistical patterns could break down in some circumstances; and
- Simulating shocks that reflect some kind of structural break that could occur in the future.
A Possible Stress Testing Regime
An effective, rigorous and forward looking stress-testing regime would therefore include multiple likely scenarios – including examining movements in all the major macro-economic variables over the past 10 to 20 years and an examination of their likelihood. Capital should be held to allow for these types of events and, in the event that they occur, the minimum capital to be held, as mandated by the regulators, should be allowed to fall to the predicted level. The bank should also have plans to re-establish appropriate levels of capital during the recovery phase from the stress event, with the understanding that other banks in the market will also be attempting similar strategies.
Stress-testing should also include unlikely, but possible, events, along the lines of the four points above. As an example of each one, stress tests could involve such things as the effects of:
- Asian Crisis (1997 – 1998)
- Russian Debt Default
- US Terrorist Attacks
- Hostilities in Iraq in 2003-04
None of these scenarios may be statistically likely, but scenarios similar to these would form a part of a rigorous and forward-looking stress-testing regime. In the event that these scenarios show a possible capital or liquidity deficiency, a bank should have a plan to address the scenario and should be prepared to present and discuss these plans with the regulators.
Back Testing
It is also important, for model verification purposes, that back testing is also carried out on stress scenarios as and when they occur. If the stress testing has been sufficiently broad there should be the capacity to back test stress scenarios on a regular basis.While one of the unlikely events may not occur, the regular stress test results on likely scenarios should occur with sufficient regularity to allow for reasonable model verification. Should one of the unlikely events occur, or an event with similar macro economic effects to the stress scenario then the scope for model verification is greatly increased and extensive back testing should be carried out; both on the model and its predictions and on the basis for the assumed macro economic effects.
Conclusion
A rigorous and forward-looking stress-testing regime would consist of a combination of both likely and unlikely events. Sufficient capital should be held to ensure that a capital deficiency does not occur under any of the likely scenarios. Capital need not be held against events judged to be possible but unlikely. Where these show a capital deficiency a plan should be developed to counter the effects of the event.
Back testing should also be regularly carried out for model verification purposes and all of the stress- and back-test results and resulting plans will need to be documented, agreed with management and the Board and discussed with the regulators.
52 comments
1 November, 2006 at 15:00
idpt0000
Hi, I am an IT guys working for Basel II related project. I am not quite familiar with either Basel II definition or statistics modelling. Would you please give some examples about how to “simulate” those “stressful scenarios”.
Do you mean we have to
(1) first obtain those LGD / EAD / PD figures for the selected scenario
(2) create simulation data from production data
(3) patch default cases in the prepared data according to, e.g. PD, of that particular scenario …… ?!
(4) check the capital reserve against the total loss ?!
….
Okay, I admitted that I was totally lost …….
2 November, 2006 at 01:12
ozrisk
idpt0000,
No problem – most are. Even the regulators still are – with the sole exception of the FSA.
First step is to get the scenarios and justify them – show that they are reasonable – and then estimate their probability.
What happens next depends on the structure of your model. If you are using a downturn LGD model with an integrated EAD (or even a through the cycle LGD) then only the PD for each scenario will need to be stressed. If you are using a point in time model, they will all need to be stressed – one of the good reasons to use a through the cycle model. These stressed values are then fed into the valuation model.
What happens from there is difficult to condense into a blog comment, but, to summarise:
Most institutions have a smaller, aggregated model on which to run these simulations on a regular basis rather than running them on the full model, restricting their full runs to an annual event run at quiet times of the year. If you go down this route, the smaller model should be a version of your main model, reworked to operate off aggregated data to speed processing.
The annual stress testing run is an important component of the testing cycle – at least in part to cross check the results of your disaggregated model.
You are right on the final outcome – ensure the final loss for any likely scenario does not have the capital reserve below allowable levels.
A good summary of the current position is in the post on APRA – here. The last paragraph has some links to recent papers from the FSA that contain some very good advice on what is being done in this area.
14 November, 2006 at 21:01
idpt0000
Thanks a lot.
16 November, 2006 at 04:03
bruce
Things are moving on with stress testing in the UK. A key driver of the stress test model is the type of rating system you are using. A Point In Time (PIT) system or a Through The Cycle (TTC) system. These behave in very different ways as the economic cycle changes. The stress test needs to illustrate the effect on the model of the economic downturn and change in capital as a result. The key point is the way the downturn will affect the model inputs.
5 December, 2006 at 04:19
bruce
The following FSA paper goes into the full details of my comment above.
http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pubs/international/crsg_procyclicality3.pdf
Lots of good hints for a retail (especially mortgage) Basel ratings system.
5 January, 2007 at 04:37
Payal das
full credit cycle test- meaning
5 January, 2007 at 07:05
ozrisk
Payal das,
The credit cycle is similar to the business cycle, but typically lags it be some months or even up to about a year. It works something like this – while the economy is doing well the chances of most creditors not making the correct payments on their loans reduces, so the PD of the portfolio drops. Once the business cycle turns for the worsemost businesses still have a lot of fat and coninue to pay, but the worse businesses start to experience some stress. After a while, these businesses may start to default on their loans. As business activity drops further, more businesses come under stress and then begin to default.
A full credit cycle test looks not only at the situation as it now is, but tries to average the results as if they where over the full cycle.
14 January, 2007 at 03:01
Angus Blundell
Hello
I am interested in finding research on historical market shocks (Oct-87, 9/11, Gulf War 1 & 2, LTCM, etc.) for the purpose of building up a series of stress tests for investment portfolios, covering all major market factors (Equity Mkts, Interest Rates, FX, Option Vol, etc.).
I’ve struggled a bit to find some research on Historical Stress Tests (including definition of time periods, as well as the particular market shocks).
Do you have any pointers towards research papers, Texts covering this?
Thanks
14 January, 2007 at 03:03
ozrisk
Angus,
Are you looking for the data itself or the research that results? If it is the data the best place to look would depend on how old it is. Oanda keep currency data going back a long way – it is free for non-commercial use. I have mined it back to 1993 for USD / AUD and other time periods for other currency pairs, but I am not sure how far back it goes.
The ASX keeps trading records going back a long way, but it is not on line AFAIK. An approach to them would get it, though – again, if for commercial use expect to pay a fee.
Reuters would be the usual place for the other data – and you might be able to get it all from there. They are not cheap, however.
If you are a student, approach your librarian. I was able to get all sorts of data from them while at uni – some of which I may or may not still be using, depending on who is asking.
On the historical stress tests my usual first point of reference is, yes, Google – but not the usual one. Go to Google Scholar which is an invaluable reference source. If you are not at uni, many of the references are behind a paywall (JSTOR is notable here) but it is a good first point of contact and the summaries are normally good enough to decide if the article is worth getting.
This article is a good start, in this area, but you must really be guided by who is doing the stress testing. Their own portfolio is a critical consideration. Read the post above and let me know where I can be of help.
22 February, 2007 at 11:57
mulva
This is a great site. Do you know when data centre/computer room standards are likely to filter down based upon the Basel II accord? By this I mean, what is the minimum requirement for data and services to meet Basel II risk management recommendations?
22 February, 2007 at 13:11
ozrisk
mulva,
Thanks for the feedback. The accord does not attempt to set standards for the infrastructure at all. These sorts of issues are dealt with under the operational risk assessment.
Essentially, the risk of some failure that causes loss is modelled and, for banks following the advanced criteria, capital is then held based on this risk assessment. Obviously, the better the infrastucture, the lower the risk of loss due to operational risk, so the lower the capital. The trick to doing it really well is to balance the risk and reward – i.e. spend enough to get the risk down to a level where additional spend on the infrastructure would result in less capital being freed up than the additional spend costs.
23 February, 2007 at 01:38
Eddie simiyu mungami
I have just started my phd research proposal on the challenges of basell II
to emerging markets. however i admit i do not have a strong background on research methodology especially econometrics modelling. if by chance i 3 months to one year sponsorship to improve my methodolgy i will real appreciate. it will go a long way in improving my research capability.
24 February, 2007 at 01:56
ozrisk
Sorry, Eddie – no can do.
9 April, 2007 at 12:44
Mauricio
Hi, Where can I find definitions, examples and methodology related to stress testing and back testing ?
Thanks a lot
9 April, 2007 at 16:04
ozrisk
As this area is still evolving, my usual first step in questions like this is to look at recent academic literature – Google Scholar is a good start. From there it depends on which industry you are in – insurance methodologies will differ from banking, for example, so you need to tailor your search appropriately.
Some of the links above will also be useful. I tend to shy away from the textbooks as they are generally well out of date. An exception are the ones from Risk Books. Their new Basel Handbook recently came out and is worth a look – it is a bit steep though at USD 245.
1 July, 2007 at 14:54
Shyamsundar Baliga
Indian supervisor RBI’s recent guidelines available at the following link requires banks to put in place a Board approved stress testing framework by September this year and implement by March 2008. Though simplistic and introductory in nature, it is a decent beginning.
http://rbidocs.rbi.org.in/rdocs/notification/PDFs/78232.pdf
Any views, experiences or reference documents on approach to stress testing credit risk in retail portfolios like auto loans, personal loans and residential mortgages?
18 July, 2007 at 14:25
sang jin
As far as I know, stress test is dealt in both Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 in Basel 2 framework. In pillar 1, there are two stress test requirements; the first one is the general stress test where banks should confirm the conservativeness of their risk parameters such as PD, LGD, EAD and the second one is more specific one where banks should access the effect of economic cyclicality. However, could you know and let me know concrete examples of stress test frameworks in Pillar 1?
Thanks in advance.
13 October, 2007 at 00:11
ek
any more information you can provide on risk parameter stress testing? especially in regards to PD stress testing?
13 October, 2007 at 11:47
Andrew
ek,
What are you looking for? This area has had whole books written on it.
20 May, 2008 at 19:44
Austin
hey guys dont know if you can help but my organisation has to comply with the Basel II act, so im looking for somewhere that offers training for Basel II? do you have any ideas? im monitoring the blog so let me know?
6 May, 2009 at 01:44
Zeshan
Austin, I work for a consultancy firm and have led many training sessions. I am willing to have a discussion if you still require information.
20 May, 2008 at 22:23
Andrew
Austin,
Where are you and are there particular areas you are interested in? Basel II covers just about every aspect of bank operations. You will need to be more specific both in geographic location and area of interest.
Otherwise, the Basel Handbook linked to further up the thread should be good reading.
27 June, 2008 at 19:55
Brad
Hi,
I am currently working on stress testing economic capital for a retail bank. What we are confused about at the moment is whether a stressed scenario changes according to where you are in the cycle. In other words given that our current exposure remains the same, and the macroeconomic factors going into the model change (as we move through the cycle) should the value of capital at the 1 in 100 event stay the same or should this point move.
To put this into context, currently we are sitting above our long run average, and when we run run our model, stressing our data according to where we currently sit in the cycle, we achieve a higher capital number and a higher VaR for a 1 in 100 event.
So just to confirm, our confusion lies in whether you apply the stress to the long run average or whether you apply the stress to where you are in the cycle.
Any comments would be greatly appreciated
1 July, 2008 at 11:37
Richo
Brad, I think your confusion lies in the definition of the scenarios.
e.g. Scenerios like terrorist attacks affecting the credit market, there’s not much of a correlation of the probability of it happening and the credit cycle from the start. Thus, this stressed scenario shouldn’t change where you are in the cycle.
e.g. For the likes of Subprime, it matters much as consumer’s behaviour in taking credit becomes too much for the market to bear.
In short, it all depends on the scenarios you are considering.
2 July, 2008 at 19:32
Bruce M
Your stress test process depends on how your models are built.
If your models calc’s different capital amounts depending on the current economic position, this would be a PIT (point in time) system. If the models are immune to the economic environment, they are part of a through-the-cycle (TTC) system. This relates to the pro-cyclicality issue.
Most retail models react to economic inputs to some extent (hybrids of PIT/TTC are possible). This is because the models must be sensitive to changes in risk due to non-economic factors and splitting these out completly (from economic factors) is very difficult.
First off, the stress test should take the models as they stand and stress any inputs that are economically sensitive. This should demonstrate the variation in pillar 1 capital during a downturn scenario. In theory, with the same risk profile of the portfolio, this should give the same answer regardless of the current economic position. However, it is probably not that straight forward. If the model inputs consider relative shifts in economic factors rather than absolute positions then it gets more tricky. (ie model changes interest rates by +5% rather than setting a fixed 10% rate).
The thought process should be how your current models (within the live process and governance restrictions) will perform in a downturn and what capital figures will be calculated. If any changes to the model would be required during an actual downturn, then these need to be fully documented, approved and set up with governance controls. You can’t assume a (management) action might happen in the future because it seems sensible now.
That would be the pillar 1 stress test. Pillar 2 is another story.
4 July, 2008 at 00:28
Brad
Thanks Richo and Bruce, your insight helped
Regards
Brad
8 July, 2008 at 02:03
DeeM
Hi there,
does anybody know the page/portal, I could find some statistic on particular business lines round the world (finally PD per branch)? For example I would like to know estimated risk in investing in poultry business in EMEA, emerging market, etc…
Regards,
DeeM
8 July, 2008 at 18:48
Andrew
DeeM,
I would be really surprised if any bank let this sort of information out. It would be very valuable to know what your competitors have as their credit risk factors.
That said, if you find any, please let us know.
16 September, 2008 at 20:36
Imran Reza
Hi there. Could you explain the terms ‘Through the Cycle LGD’ and ‘Downturn LGD’?
17 September, 2008 at 12:35
Andrew
Imran,
TTC LGD is a figure meant to approximate the LGD over an entire economic cycle – through upturn, peak, downturn and bottom. The downturn LGD is the worst case LGD the LGD you get is you are attempting to recover on the assets as the economy is reaching the bottom of the cycle.
Hope that helps.
23 December, 2008 at 12:42
Thana
Hi there, you have a great site. Will keep reading to gain more knowledge on stress test. Merry Christmas.
1 January, 2009 at 02:15
Bruce M
A little update to this old thread…
Given the recent events over the last year or so, banks have found that their stress testing programmes have been getting a hammering. Their various triggers will have breached a number of time resulting in frequent re-writes of their stress test scenarios and results.
There is now a move to a “reverse stress test” theory. Otherwise known as “Stress Test to Distruction”.
The idea is to start at the level of impact required to undermine the “market’s” confidence in the bank’s business plan, thereby landing it in terminal trouble. From this starting point, the analyst works backwards to discover the possible scenarios that would trigger this impact.
It is early days though, in this line of thinking.
5 January, 2009 at 17:19
Robert Townsend
We are all too close in time to draw good conclustions about the turmoil which swept through RBS and HBOS in the first few weeks of October 2008 and which lead to their effective nationalisation.
We do not know how close they each were to actual capital wipeout. We don’t yet know how much “point in time” destruction had taken place to their capital base, and how much their funding debacle in early October 2008 was simply rational withdrawal of interbank funds by the major interbank providers to RBS and HBOS.
Remember also that pre 2007 – under Basel I – every OECD Bank carried the same specified risk weight. Under Basel II most of the large participants in the interbank deposits market are using Advanced IRB – and so they no longer treat each other OECD bank as an equal.
If they are doing stress testing on their major interbank exposures and using share price volatility as in input into their PD models ( as is standard in the KMV approach) – then as RBS and HBOS share prices started falling ( in part rational worries by investors, and in part fear) then PD estimates will start to climb and the rational thing is to reduce interbank funding limits. Which would mean that Basel II could be delivering an absurd amount of pro-cyclicality.
12 January, 2009 at 23:54
Brad
Hi,
i am currently working in the corporate credit risk department of a large multlinational bank.
I am busy deriving benchmarks to be used to test the consistency of my PD and LGD estimates for counterparties which are distributed across a wide demographic area.
On that, could anyone suggest a source from which I could extract the following data:
– emperical Corporate PD grades/ country ratings
– emperical recovery rates for different collateral types per country.
I am sure that a request for such data is a ‘long shot’, however any advice here would be greatly appreciated. Any working paper recommendations as well would be appreciated.
thanks
Brad
12 January, 2009 at 23:58
Andrew
Brad,
The only source I know of that would be available (for a substantial fee) is from the ajor credit ratings agencies.
If anyone else out there knows somewhere, please feel free to add it in below.
13 January, 2009 at 01:13
Brad
Andrew thanks for that,
I am starting to realise that is the only alternative. Given the budgetry constraints, which I am sure most companies are facing, I am trying to source data from less costly sources, which of course is proving very difficult.
I will however post any progress I have made to this thread.
13 January, 2009 at 13:22
Andrew
Brad,
I know what you mean – they charge like wounded bulls for that data – but it is because they are the only ones selling it. The banks might be able to do it as well, but they at some time or another have used the agencies’ data and the contracts with the agencies prohibit reselling it or anything that you have developed using it.
The only real way around it would be for the banks to all cooperate to share the information – but I cannot see that happening. Banks are so protective of their data.
Let us know how you go.
14 January, 2009 at 11:41
Robert Townsend
Brad
Edware Altman – the New York finance professor – has been working on bankruptcy prediction models ( his Z score) and LGD models for nearly 4o years. He has published heaps of long term data series for PD and LGD for many different classes of securities with different amounts of collateral and seniority. He has also published work on comparisons between his own prediction models and those of the rating agencies. If you go into Google scholar and look at his recent works you will get a flavour of public domain statistics in this area. However his focus is the USA. If you are having trouble getting to the source of some of these articles, I can probably help as I have an extensive digital library of Altman’s publications. There is also some interesting European work published in the Economic Notes of the Bank of Siena in Italy
4 July, 2009 at 00:21
CHARAGU
how come basel II did not consider liquidity risk as part of the major cause of mess in the financial melt down?
4 July, 2009 at 12:20
Andrew
Charagu,
Liquidity was not considered as the regulators concentrated on the ability of a bank to maintain credit worthiness – not the ability to immediately pay. I think this will be at least partially addressed in the next Basel Accord.
6 July, 2009 at 21:25
CHARAGU
how will governance,risk and compliance enhance risk in the financial system
7 July, 2009 at 00:32
Andrew
Short question, long answer. This is the subject of many books. Start with http://scholar.google.com
7 July, 2009 at 22:48
CHARAGU
With the implementation of the Basel 2 accord by financial institution in developed economies what made most of them suffer from the credit crunch triggered by the sub-prime mortgage?Does it mean derivatives are not well understood by risk managers in the financial institutions.How far is basel 2 effective in the said economies or has been proven ineffective? It has been ineffective what they using to cushion investors?
Has basel been in third world economies?
10 July, 2009 at 19:04
Steve
Hello,
I have found this website and this thread in particular very useful so please keep it up. I am relatively new to stress testing myself and I am wondering what are the major differences between Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 stresses at a quantitative level?
Cheers in advance
5 August, 2009 at 00:20
Bikuri
Anybody out there willing to share their model with me to help conceptualize this stress testing for a medium sized commercial bank in Kenya.
Please get in touch-my email is mbikuri@gmail.com
24 October, 2009 at 19:24
ABOM
Stress test this:
http://www.goldensextant.com/SavingtheSystem.html
25 October, 2009 at 07:33
Alice
ABOM
what happened to “congratulations Goldman”. I think Andy “The Deregulator” regulated that post out of existence….???
Andy – did you do that after Goldman’s robbed taxpayer funds to play the markets and kep ALL that 3 billion profit it made from taxpayers money??
Andy…..?????
ABOM – you will give Bikuri stress. He just wants a bank job.
25 October, 2009 at 07:36
Alice
Andy,
Please dont give up your risk management job to become a uni teacher to our esteemed students. Pointing them in the direction of google scholar is like telling them to study astronomy by looking to the heavens at night.
Alternatively you could post your annual consultation hour.
25 October, 2009 at 16:12
ABOM
“With our huge foreign debt, our banks face ”roll-over risk” and we should never forget it. Even so, there could hardly be a bigger or more frightening stress-test than the one we’ve just been through, and we passed it with flying colours.
The point is that, provided most of our investment spending is soundly based, the income we earn from those businesses will service the interest on the money we’ve borrowed. But that’s just as well because, as Henry says, all the big economic developments we face – a much bigger population, climate change, the information technology revolution and the resumption of the resources boom – will require huge additional investment spending, guaranteeing continuing, even bigger current account deficits.”
http://www.smh.com.au/business/no-worries-mate-living-with-a-deficit-20091023-hdb3.html
Ross Gittins, almost sounding like a real economist. A lot of that borrowing has gone into residential mortgages. Which is a consumption item, not an investment item. One day, perhaps one day soon, Oz banks won’t be able to roll over as easily as they anticipated. Then we will see how robust their “stress tests” have been.
They are riding right on the edge right now. One wrong move on the timing of the investment cycle or the lending decisions made and one big Oz bank is going to go down. Big time. I hope to God they know what they’re doing. And their bets pay off. Because if they don’t the $A goes down and we all suffer.
25 October, 2009 at 17:12
ABOM
Yes, this is the only way to appropriately reduce risk:
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/10/hutton-mervyn-king-is-right.html
But sometimes coming to the right policy can take so long, and the policy makers can be so slow and so stupid, the patient is already terminal and the cancer has reached advanced stages. Applying remedies that would have worked 10 years ago cannot work today. This is one of those occasions for both the US and the UK. And, perhaps, Australia.
“It’s too late baby, yeah it’s too late, though we really did try to make it. Something has died inside and I just can’t hide and I just can’t fake it….”
26 October, 2009 at 14:42
ABOM
Nice summary of the LIKELY (I am too humble to say CERTAIN) scenario, for anyone interested in an Austrian take on our financial future. Fall in US$ just at the time when yields may need to spike up…
http://prudentbear.com/index.php/creditbubblebulletinview?art_id=10301
Ouch.
Paper burns.
As for Aust, the govt being forced to buy rats and mice RMBSs is a sign something is wrong with the residential mortgage market – if not a sign of actual desperation (which is the case for Fannie/Freddie in the US, where they are jointly buying up every crap piece of residential paper in the forlorn hope of “saving” the mortgage market at the cost of the – bankrupt – taxpayer. But for how long?). And house prices in Oz have recently spiked up again (hardly surprising given the FHBG and buyers looking to lock in fixed interest loans).
Can we escape the US and the UK? What makes us so different? Employment. Which relies on exports and the continuation of construction/investment. But ultra low interest rates and govt meddling mess with the price mechanism making investment more risky/difficult to plan. And if China blows up our exports will die. And even if this doesn’t happen, if we get a recession due to too-high mortgage debt then the $A will tank and banks will find it difficult to rollover their debts. And then LT interest rates will spike.
All roads lead to Hell in fiat money madness. We either kill exporters with hot tsunami money (carry trade + high interest rates to choke off a housing bubble) or keep interest rates too low for too long and have a massive debt unwind in 5 years’ time when the housing bubble really bursts.
The only way out is Glass Steagall type regulation, and/or allowing gold as legal tender and/or abolishing central banking and/or breaking up of all TBTF institutions and/or outlawing FRB and/or confiscating all privately held gold and killing 10% of the population with vaccinations, war, or poverty through Depression (the “Roosevelt Solution”).
27 October, 2009 at 17:44
ABOM
Hmmm… I’m not so crazy after all. Roubini, agreeing with nationalization and breaking up of all TBTF institutions.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/33477456#