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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://ozrisk.net/2007/10/09/bank-liquidity-management/#comment-28610</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 07:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[karmaisking,
What - are you trying to teach me about free banking? You are the one that keeps spouting Rothbard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>karmaisking,<br />
What &#8211; are you trying to teach me about free banking? You are the one that keeps spouting Rothbard.</p>
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		<title>By: karmaisking</title>
		<link>http://ozrisk.net/2007/10/09/bank-liquidity-management/#comment-28609</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 07:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bingo!  It&#039;s not about the objective risk profile of govt debt (Dr John Laker actually stated that there is &quot;no risk&quot; of govt debt default - try telling that to holders of PIIG debt).  Gold is the ultimate protection against systemic risk because it is the only monetary asset without any counterparty risk.

It&#039;s about allowing govt to finance its deficits more easily.  

Of course, with free banking there would be no need for these ridiculous, suffocating, mindless, ever-changing, defective regulations.  Banks would be free to calibrate their own asset position - and if they got it wrong they would die and the directors and employees would be out in the street.

Simple.  Google &quot;Free Banking&quot; to find out more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo!  It&#8217;s not about the objective risk profile of govt debt (Dr John Laker actually stated that there is &#8220;no risk&#8221; of govt debt default &#8211; try telling that to holders of PIIG debt).  Gold is the ultimate protection against systemic risk because it is the only monetary asset without any counterparty risk.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about allowing govt to finance its deficits more easily.  </p>
<p>Of course, with free banking there would be no need for these ridiculous, suffocating, mindless, ever-changing, defective regulations.  Banks would be free to calibrate their own asset position &#8211; and if they got it wrong they would die and the directors and employees would be out in the street.</p>
<p>Simple.  Google &#8220;Free Banking&#8221; to find out more.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://ozrisk.net/2007/10/09/bank-liquidity-management/#comment-28601</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[karmaisking,
If I could borrow on the government purse by paying only a small premium, I would also argue that this arrangement should continue. That does not mean I would collapse without it.
Gold is already effectively accepted as an HQLA by APRA in several circumstances - you have to apply for it under section 12(e) of APS 210 - but IIRC few actually use it as it pays no interest.
Under most circumstances selling the gold to buy government debt is better under the regulations. To me, the regulations seem to be set up to make government debt easy to sell - but then giving an advantage to government seems to be the effect of many regulations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>karmaisking,<br />
If I could borrow on the government purse by paying only a small premium, I would also argue that this arrangement should continue. That does not mean I would collapse without it.<br />
Gold is already effectively accepted as an HQLA by APRA in several circumstances &#8211; you have to apply for it under section 12(e) of APS 210 &#8211; but IIRC few actually use it as it pays no interest.<br />
Under most circumstances selling the gold to buy government debt is better under the regulations. To me, the regulations seem to be set up to make government debt easy to sell &#8211; but then giving an advantage to government seems to be the effect of many regulations.</p>
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		<title>By: karmaisking</title>
		<link>http://ozrisk.net/2007/10/09/bank-liquidity-management/#comment-28590</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[karmaisking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew, I saw an interview with the head of Bank of Queensland where he was (gently) suggesting the govt extend the guarantee.  So some of them have definitely been using the govt guarantee and want to continue to do so.  

I assume you&#039;re referring to the proposed increases in the liquidity requirements for 2011, suggested by APRA and proposed by BIS.  The argument is we don&#039;t have sufficiently deep govt debt markets to move some liquidity requirements across from inter-bank to govt debt AND that these changes will cause a credit crunch in Oz.

I would suggest gold be used as an alternative to govt debt to allow sufficiently deep, liquid markets in times of systemic risk.  But then no one ever listens to me...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, I saw an interview with the head of Bank of Queensland where he was (gently) suggesting the govt extend the guarantee.  So some of them have definitely been using the govt guarantee and want to continue to do so.  </p>
<p>I assume you&#8217;re referring to the proposed increases in the liquidity requirements for 2011, suggested by APRA and proposed by BIS.  The argument is we don&#8217;t have sufficiently deep govt debt markets to move some liquidity requirements across from inter-bank to govt debt AND that these changes will cause a credit crunch in Oz.</p>
<p>I would suggest gold be used as an alternative to govt debt to allow sufficiently deep, liquid markets in times of systemic risk.  But then no one ever listens to me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://ozrisk.net/2007/10/09/bank-liquidity-management/#comment-28589</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[karmaisking,
If the current ideas to increase regulation come to fruition I think it is unlikely that it will take only 3 years for the next bust.
As for all of them having access to international debt markets - I never said such a thing. Most of the smaller institutions do not have that access and have never had that access.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>karmaisking,<br />
If the current ideas to increase regulation come to fruition I think it is unlikely that it will take only 3 years for the next bust.<br />
As for all of them having access to international debt markets &#8211; I never said such a thing. Most of the smaller institutions do not have that access and have never had that access.</p>
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		<title>By: karmaisking</title>
		<link>http://ozrisk.net/2007/10/09/bank-liquidity-management/#comment-28588</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[karmaisking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Completely agree Andrew.  Again I respect your analysis, but have (slight) doubts about your powers of prediction.  

“ABOM, There was no need for the guarantee in Australia.”  Now we find the banks racing to issue guaranteed bonds before the deadline runs out.

&quot;As for the idea that a bank cannot be expected to replace the $290bn in guaranteed debt once it comes up to roll, that is clearly not the case for most, if not all, banks.&quot;  Hmmm...  Have you carefully studied the volatility (in both liquidity and pricing) in the international wholesale debt markets over the last 3 years?  Again, if you think it&#039;s &quot;guaranteed&quot; (ha ha ha!) that they will ALL be able to access international debt markets on rollover, you are a very brave man.  I&#039;d prefer that they source their funding from good old deposits (attracting depositors with competitive interest rates) rather than rely on the backdoor method of the international wholesale markets.  Dumb retailers often find that the wholesale costs of a &quot;precious&quot; commodity can spike without notice.  And money is (always) a precious commodity.  Especially $290bn of the stuff, when we already have one of the highest private debt levels in the world (see Steve Keen&#039;s debt deflation website for some shocking numbers on private debt - how much debt can the sucker-consumer eat up?).  I hope I don&#039;t have to post again on this blog in 3 years...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree Andrew.  Again I respect your analysis, but have (slight) doubts about your powers of prediction.  </p>
<p>“ABOM, There was no need for the guarantee in Australia.”  Now we find the banks racing to issue guaranteed bonds before the deadline runs out.</p>
<p>&#8220;As for the idea that a bank cannot be expected to replace the $290bn in guaranteed debt once it comes up to roll, that is clearly not the case for most, if not all, banks.&#8221;  Hmmm&#8230;  Have you carefully studied the volatility (in both liquidity and pricing) in the international wholesale debt markets over the last 3 years?  Again, if you think it&#8217;s &#8220;guaranteed&#8221; (ha ha ha!) that they will ALL be able to access international debt markets on rollover, you are a very brave man.  I&#8217;d prefer that they source their funding from good old deposits (attracting depositors with competitive interest rates) rather than rely on the backdoor method of the international wholesale markets.  Dumb retailers often find that the wholesale costs of a &#8220;precious&#8221; commodity can spike without notice.  And money is (always) a precious commodity.  Especially $290bn of the stuff, when we already have one of the highest private debt levels in the world (see Steve Keen&#8217;s debt deflation website for some shocking numbers on private debt &#8211; how much debt can the sucker-consumer eat up?).  I hope I don&#8217;t have to post again on this blog in 3 years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://ozrisk.net/2007/10/09/bank-liquidity-management/#comment-28587</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a discussion with Mencius Moldbug on the sustainability of our curent system &lt;a href=&quot;http://ozrisk.net/2007/12/29/can-fractional-reserve-be-banned/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; a while back.
As for the idea that a bank cannot be expected to replace the $290bn in guaranteed debt once it comes up to roll, that is clearly not the case for most, if not all, banks. If it is true for any of them, then they deserve to fail.
Nothing complex there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a discussion with Mencius Moldbug on the sustainability of our curent system <a href="http://ozrisk.net/2007/12/29/can-fractional-reserve-be-banned/" rel="nofollow">here</a> a while back.<br />
As for the idea that a bank cannot be expected to replace the $290bn in guaranteed debt once it comes up to roll, that is clearly not the case for most, if not all, banks. If it is true for any of them, then they deserve to fail.<br />
Nothing complex there.</p>
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		<title>By: karmaisking</title>
		<link>http://ozrisk.net/2007/10/09/bank-liquidity-management/#comment-28586</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;halve&quot; not &quot;half&quot; and &quot;I don&#039;t know&quot;.  

I&#039;m so worried about these graphs that my hands have been shaking this morning.  They can&#039;t be accurate, surely?  If so, why isn&#039;t the Dow down to 5000?

http://2020speculator.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/be-close-to-a-food-source-and-far-away-from-other-people/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;halve&#8221; not &#8220;half&#8221; and &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so worried about these graphs that my hands have been shaking this morning.  They can&#8217;t be accurate, surely?  If so, why isn&#8217;t the Dow down to 5000?</p>
<p><a href="http://2020speculator.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/be-close-to-a-food-source-and-far-away-from-other-people/" rel="nofollow">http://2020speculator.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/be-close-to-a-food-source-and-far-away-from-other-people/</a></p>
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		<title>By: karmaisking</title>
		<link>http://ozrisk.net/2007/10/09/bank-liquidity-management/#comment-28585</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[karmaisking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew,

That&#039;s a brilliant analogy!  Govt-guaranteed bond issuance and addiction to a drug.  The question is: 

Can the banks go &quot;cold turkey&quot; when PIGS aren&#039;t flying?

Of course, you&#039;re right on the termination date of the bonds.  My implicit point is that if the GFC kicks in again when the term of these bonds matures, I suspect the govt will do the same thing again.  In other words, this sad episode has been a signal to the banks: &quot;Lend recklessly, madly, crazily, insanely and you will be bailed out somehow by the govt.  So drown every sucker with a pulse in unsustainable debt, grab the bonuses and let the sucker govt take care of the problem later.&quot;

If you think this is a sustainable financial system, then you&#039;re crazier than I am.  At some point, the bonds will mature (around the same time as the borrower&#039;s debt rollovers are kicking in) bad debts will spike and the govt will have to do the same thing all over again.  Just like the FHBG, a &quot;short term&quot; expediency becomes a crucial permanenet crutch for the economy or the whole house of cards collapses.  As an example, if you half the FHBG and cut the LVR ratio from 93% to 87% (as Westpac is considering) I think you go from being able to borrow $600k to being able to borrow something like $400k.  That&#039;s a big reduction in anyone&#039;s language.  Something is gonna break this year.  I don&#039;t whether it&#039;s going to be the wholesale market (CDS are spiking up again), the exchange rate (how can our banks get access to the wholesale market if the A$ tanks?), or actual house prices (it&#039;s coming eventually).  But this thing isn&#039;t going to keep flying for much longer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a brilliant analogy!  Govt-guaranteed bond issuance and addiction to a drug.  The question is: </p>
<p>Can the banks go &#8220;cold turkey&#8221; when PIGS aren&#8217;t flying?</p>
<p>Of course, you&#8217;re right on the termination date of the bonds.  My implicit point is that if the GFC kicks in again when the term of these bonds matures, I suspect the govt will do the same thing again.  In other words, this sad episode has been a signal to the banks: &#8220;Lend recklessly, madly, crazily, insanely and you will be bailed out somehow by the govt.  So drown every sucker with a pulse in unsustainable debt, grab the bonuses and let the sucker govt take care of the problem later.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you think this is a sustainable financial system, then you&#8217;re crazier than I am.  At some point, the bonds will mature (around the same time as the borrower&#8217;s debt rollovers are kicking in) bad debts will spike and the govt will have to do the same thing all over again.  Just like the FHBG, a &#8220;short term&#8221; expediency becomes a crucial permanenet crutch for the economy or the whole house of cards collapses.  As an example, if you half the FHBG and cut the LVR ratio from 93% to 87% (as Westpac is considering) I think you go from being able to borrow $600k to being able to borrow something like $400k.  That&#8217;s a big reduction in anyone&#8217;s language.  Something is gonna break this year.  I don&#8217;t whether it&#8217;s going to be the wholesale market (CDS are spiking up again), the exchange rate (how can our banks get access to the wholesale market if the A$ tanks?), or actual house prices (it&#8217;s coming eventually).  But this thing isn&#8217;t going to keep flying for much longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://ozrisk.net/2007/10/09/bank-liquidity-management/#comment-28584</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I said earlier on the bonuses and the rest. If someone comes up to you and tells you that you must take a whole heap of cash or suffer the consequences (as the Fed did to several banks, including Goldman&#039;s) I do not believe that this entitles the Fed (or anyone else) to have a say in the management of the bank.
Imagine the situation in the private sector - a person comes up to you, sticks a gun in your ribs and tells you to borrow some money from them. They then say that you must manage your life according to their whims.
There is a term for that - and it is not &quot;prudential monetary policy&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said earlier on the bonuses and the rest. If someone comes up to you and tells you that you must take a whole heap of cash or suffer the consequences (as the Fed did to several banks, including Goldman&#8217;s) I do not believe that this entitles the Fed (or anyone else) to have a say in the management of the bank.<br />
Imagine the situation in the private sector &#8211; a person comes up to you, sticks a gun in your ribs and tells you to borrow some money from them. They then say that you must manage your life according to their whims.<br />
There is a term for that &#8211; and it is not &#8220;prudential monetary policy&#8221;.</p>
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